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Once again, there is no hate like Christian love. Not just that, there is no empathy like Christian insensitivity and no compassion like Christian disconnection. I'd be willing to bet a cup of coffee that Graber has never met a trans person, has no idea of the conflict that goes on within them about what their bodies are versus what their mindset tells them about themselves and what it takes to resolve that conflict. The utter lack of understanding represented by Graber and people like him is just staggering to me: that not only do they not understand, but THEY DON'T ๐—ช๐—”๐—ก๐—ง TO UNDERSTAND.

And what we do about that, other than hoping they die off and take their hate and bigotry with them, I don't know.

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Iโ€™m sure heโ€™s fine with teens getting breast augmentation or nose jobs.

Transition surgeries do not happen to children, heโ€™s acting like parents are bringing in all their children to switch them in the millions. Thereโ€™s about 1000 kids on puberty blockers for transgender care/body dysmorphia in the USA. Fewer than that will eventually have surgery, as adults and after years and years of care and every other intervention available is exhausted.

If your first thought after learning something new is to kill it and present it as a warning to everyone maybe your morals arenโ€™t all that good. Maybe youโ€™re the monster.

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Ever notice how these days we have parental warning labels on games, albums, television shows, and movies but not on this kind of pastor?

This guy is promoting violence for the sake of his god, and that's apparently A-Okay and no parental warnings need to be made. Seriously now, we all know the reason nobody's advocating for warning labels on this kind of stuff is purely because it's religious in nature, not because the labels aren't needed. Sure, okay, Graber isn't actually shooting people yet, but he's encouraging others to do so without doubt, and we've already had entirely too many school shootings this year as it stands. (Yes, I am afraid to check the current number.) Seems to me that if we're going to provide ratings systems for other entertainment mediums that kids might consume, we should apply the same to these sorts of pastors who love preaching violence, intolerance, and hate - and truthfully, ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด.

I know it's not likely to happen anytime soon, but I still think it'd be a worthwhile goal. Maybe it'll happen someday regardless of the pressure to prevent it.

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I'm coming to realize, more and more, that people like Grubby here aren't scary. Oh, they're monsters, make no mistake. I absolutely believe they'd follow through on their threats, given half a chance- or, more likely, since they're cowards to a one, have someone else follow through ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ them- but they're not actually ๐˜ด๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜บ. Laughable, sometimes; a bit droll. More often just groan-inducing, like listening to the same bad song on a broken record over and over and over and over and ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ again.

Everyone even slightly inclined to be reasonable can look at a hate preacher like fucko-du-jour up top and immediately recognize that they're a monster. It's obvious; they wear it on their sleeve. The only people who would willingly follow them are other monsters, and no one outside their bubble listens to anything they have to say.

It's not the bile-spewing bigots I'm most afraid of. Not the ones who are frothing at the mouth with hate, screaming to anyone who'll listen how they'd just love to murder us. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ'๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ not the scary ones.

It's the ones who speak calmly and smile. The ones who come across as rational- the ones who have the guile and wit to convince the uninformed but otherwise reasonable masses that the harm they're doing is just common sense. Those are the people responsible for half the country- and no, that isn't hyperbole; if anything, it's an understatement- becoming hostile territory.

The calm ones are the real threat, because people ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ to them. Their arguments almost make sense, if you haven't done your homework on the issues. I sometimes see their talking points pop up even here, from time to time, when someone just hasn't looked into things deeply enough. They're insidious. They manage to get into the heads of people who would have been- who ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ have been- allies, but for a seed of doubt planted in bad faith, and it's not always easy to dig that seed out.

Because when it's not just naked hate, it can't just be dismissed out of hand like the clown in today's article. It has to be thoroughly and carefully debunked, or else ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ come across as the unreasonable ones. A carefully-constructed lie has the ring of truth, and it isn't until it's held up side by side with facts and evidence that it's revealed for the sham it truly is.

So, laugh at Grubby; he's a ridiculous cartoon villain, and he richly deserves it... but ๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ the bigots who prefer to do their work with a pen rather than a pulpit. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ people are the ones who really make shit like ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด possible: https://apnews.com/article/desantis-florida-lgbtq-education-health-c68a7e5fe5cf22ab8cca324b00644119

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Wow! Can't you just feel all that Christian love? Neither can I. This man embodies almost everything I detest about religion in general. Imagine a world where preachers like him held the power of life and death. There wouldn't be much in the way of anything I would classify as moral. As always, never forget his enablers in the pews who fund him, are just as bad as he is.

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"All of that, he claims, is what the Bible commands."

1. We don't live in a theocracy, so it wouldn't matter if the Bible did say that.

2. When a person says, "The Bible says..." what they really mean is "their particular translation of the Bible from the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew read through their particular exegesis that they learned from people steeped in their culture, politics, and point of view says..."

In conclusion, you can kindly fuck off with your white supremacist, hateful fundamentalist reading of the Bible, dude. You don't get a say in the medical decisions of other people.

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โ€œwe can string them up above a bridgeโ€ฆ so that the public can see the consequences of that kind of wickedness.โ€

So, literally Gilead. Ms Atwood must be disgusted that people are reading her book as a how to instead of a warning.

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"They need to be convicted in trial and immediately shot in the back of the head"

Convicted of what? Incitement of children? Hmm...

Gallows humor, but I had to laugh at his "find me another preacher in Spokane..." comment. The minnow seems mighty pleased he's the biggest fish in his bowl.

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How long before he gets banned from Youtube?

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Incitement to violence. Arrest his sorry ass.

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"So there should be no excuse to not put these people to death. No excuse whatsoeverโ€ฆ"

Umm..."Thou shall not kill".

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"Let me tell you, there are very, very few people out there in the world today that are actually fighting the spiritual fight."

Shooting someone in the back of the head is a spiritual fight?! What does he think a physical fight would be, then?

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Imagine a Muslim spouting hatred and violence against Christians. Wonder what the result of THAT would be?

Actually, no wonder at all. He'd be shipped off to Gitmo as a religious terrorist. Just as the religious terrorist Graber should be.

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The macabre Mr. Graber is seriously disturbed and needs immediate psychiatric treatment. Unfortunately, he's clever enough to just barely stay outside of a locked mental facility. Advocating mayhem, murder, and massacre by "the government" will not get his civil rights put on hold. Even when (and it's when, not if) someone in his audience who is a tiny bit more impulsive decides that he must do "God's work" with an AR-15, the causal connection to Graber will be very difficult to prove. Until blood is actually on his hands rather than figuratively on his hands, he will continue to spew his calling for Old Testament horrors.

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May 17ยทedited May 17

"...abortion doctors should also be executed."

Should your god's priests be executed for willfully causing miscarriages/abortions, Grabass? That's what they did in Numbers 5:11-31 as a "test for an unfaithful wife" (no test for an unfaithful husband in your patriarchal religion, of course).

How about your god's armies going into Samaria and executing pregnant women by cutting their bellies open with swords, as in Hosea 13:16? For that matter, how about your god itself aborting untold pregnant women in the great flood he created?

There is no condemnation of abortion anywhere in your hole-y book, Grabass. None whatsoever. You have no scriptural basis for your anti-abortion stance.

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