Given the scale of the problem and the relatively small size of the clergy, there is simply no way these horrors were not common knowledge within the hierarchy and the clergy in general. Until these cases began going public the church chose, in all cases, to protect the priests and blame their victims. That said, I doubt very much the Protestant sects are a whole lot better. Pedophiles go where the kids are, and a lot of parents remain convinced they need to drag their children to church because it's so good for them.
"I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for the Church to finally do the right thing."
At this point, the RCC has proven that it is incapable of ever "reforming." Like a psychopath, there is no cure. The antisocial disorder is too deep, too built-in. Does anyone really think that decades from now the Roman Catholic Church will not still be the subject of outrageous reports just like this one?
So I can't see "the right thing" being anything less than the entire worldwide Empire of Rape completely disbanding and dismantling itself, firing all of its clergy at all levels, giving away for free all of its hospitals to secular medical organizations, all of its schools to secular educational institutions, physically demolishing all of its cathedrals, churches, and buildings that cannot be converted to secular charitable use, and finally giving the uncountable billions of dollars in its treasuries to organizations that benefit the public in secular ways. In other words, erasing everywhere every trace of its own existence.
So, you're right, don't hold your breath waiting for "the right thing" to be done. Even centuries from now, when artifacts in museums are the only remnants, and kids wonder what the pretty gold things were for, "the right thing" will still remain unfinished.
Because drag queens have never been a real problem. It's a made up problem so the conservatives can have but again another boogeyman to fear monger about. They don't care about guns killing kids. The feign they love fetus rights, but shun grown women their rights. They hate transgenders which is clearly evident but welcome mass murders and the best they will do to curtail that is "offer prayers" while allowing easy access to assault rifles.. Heck half of the conservative congress are sexual predators themselves, along with Donald Trump.
[The] Archbishop of Chicago released a statement saying, “The Catholic Church in Illinois has been at the forefront of [DEALING WITH] sexual abuse of minors for many years.”
Looks like a couple of extraneous words somehow crept in there.
These reports are great and all, more data is always good, but I'm sick of hearing about what dead/retired priests *did*. What about what the current priests are doing *right fucking now*? The cops or feds or someone needs to start flipping priests and getting current info, children are being irreparably harmed while we talk about the dead. Now, that being said, I know this is an amazing thing, potentially, for these victims and I thoroughly support it and hope to see much, much more. It just seems like all we hear about is history when there's definitely harm being done right now.
Shameful. And these people continue to believe in a god that allows this to happen.
Dear Catholic/Christian church,
Please close your doors and never open back up again. You've had over 2000 years and have only made things worse. It's time to let the rational, non fairy tale believing people handle it from here.
This raises the question, still again, of why there has been no federal investigation. How many states have to report on the rape of how many tens of thousands of children before DOJ decides the matter just might possibly be worth looking into? Yes, the Catholic church is wealthy and well-connected, but so is the Mafia, and the FBI never seemed to ease up on them. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is a criminal cartel on at least that same scale (If not even larger), and only coordinated national action will ever put a serious dent in it. This piecemeal, state-by-state way of dealing with them benefits no one but the goddamned church itself.
Look, the DA can make recommendations all day long, the church will only make these changes when they are forced to. As evidenced by its reporting history. Let’s stop pussyfooting around and fucking nail them to the wall. Force them to report, force them to be transparent to their congregations, throw the perps in prison no matter how old they are ( can’t do anything about the dead ones) and hold the rest accountable for aiding and abetting, then make them pay every penny they have to the victims. If they file for bankruptcy, make victim payment the same as student loans, exempt from bankruptcy protection. No more turning the other way. No more special pleading. No more religious exemptions. NO MORE.
If we do this to the individual dioceses enough, we will start to get at the Vatican.
Yeah, having members walk away is good, but as we have seen for years and with lots of issues (mass shootings) it will be difficult to overcome the apathetic and sadistic. We need to take control legally to enforce the laws and morality they can’t manage with their god.
Catholics, we gotta talk. I know you've heard quite a few people now say "the only good child abuser is a dead child abuser..." but I think you guys 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘮𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 have misinterpreted something, somewhere. You see, when people say that, what they 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯 is "we should make child abusers 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦 dead," and not "we should wait until the child abusers 𝘢𝘳𝘦 dead to 𝘧𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮."
“Tradition is no excuse to prop up a criminal institution.”
I think it is more than just tradition, some folks sincerely believe the church will get them to heaven and only through the church can they get there. A few molested children can’t stand in the way of their eternal salvation, not as heartless dismissal (though it really is a heartless dismissal) but eternity cannot compare to the struggle the victims experience. They just can’t recognize the deep and enduring pain the victims face and they conceive that their eternity is much bigger than anything on Earth. Delusions of grandeur it may be, but if they’re true believers it will be impossible to convince them otherwise. And they can find ways to excuse or justify their indifference to the pain. “It’s not my priest. Well, it was my priest, but he didn’t do it recently. It was recent but it wasn’t anyone I knew. It was my friend’s kid but it was only once…”
Never do they think that maybe the church really doesn’t have a line on heavenly access, since they are so mired in so many corruptions they can’t possibly be trustworthy. Or even if the church does get you into heaven is that heaven worthy of your devotion with all the baggage that’s tied to it, or where you really want to go for eternity.
But then, I already reject the idea of god, the idea that this god is the embodiment of good, or that heaven is desirable.
"1,997 victims since 1950. But almost certainly more who have not yet come forward."
Don't forget those who won't because they are dead.
Given the scale of the problem and the relatively small size of the clergy, there is simply no way these horrors were not common knowledge within the hierarchy and the clergy in general. Until these cases began going public the church chose, in all cases, to protect the priests and blame their victims. That said, I doubt very much the Protestant sects are a whole lot better. Pedophiles go where the kids are, and a lot of parents remain convinced they need to drag their children to church because it's so good for them.
Those numbers are bad but don't forget the folks that looked the other way or covered up the abuse.
"I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for the Church to finally do the right thing."
At this point, the RCC has proven that it is incapable of ever "reforming." Like a psychopath, there is no cure. The antisocial disorder is too deep, too built-in. Does anyone really think that decades from now the Roman Catholic Church will not still be the subject of outrageous reports just like this one?
So I can't see "the right thing" being anything less than the entire worldwide Empire of Rape completely disbanding and dismantling itself, firing all of its clergy at all levels, giving away for free all of its hospitals to secular medical organizations, all of its schools to secular educational institutions, physically demolishing all of its cathedrals, churches, and buildings that cannot be converted to secular charitable use, and finally giving the uncountable billions of dollars in its treasuries to organizations that benefit the public in secular ways. In other words, erasing everywhere every trace of its own existence.
So, you're right, don't hold your breath waiting for "the right thing" to be done. Even centuries from now, when artifacts in museums are the only remnants, and kids wonder what the pretty gold things were for, "the right thing" will still remain unfinished.
0 drag queens mentioned in the report.
Because drag queens have never been a real problem. It's a made up problem so the conservatives can have but again another boogeyman to fear monger about. They don't care about guns killing kids. The feign they love fetus rights, but shun grown women their rights. They hate transgenders which is clearly evident but welcome mass murders and the best they will do to curtail that is "offer prayers" while allowing easy access to assault rifles.. Heck half of the conservative congress are sexual predators themselves, along with Donald Trump.
[The] Archbishop of Chicago released a statement saying, “The Catholic Church in Illinois has been at the forefront of [DEALING WITH] sexual abuse of minors for many years.”
Looks like a couple of extraneous words somehow crept in there.
So where's the one-man Catholic League's Bill "It Wasn't Rape and They Weren't Children!" Donohue and why hasn't he chimed in on this?
These reports are great and all, more data is always good, but I'm sick of hearing about what dead/retired priests *did*. What about what the current priests are doing *right fucking now*? The cops or feds or someone needs to start flipping priests and getting current info, children are being irreparably harmed while we talk about the dead. Now, that being said, I know this is an amazing thing, potentially, for these victims and I thoroughly support it and hope to see much, much more. It just seems like all we hear about is history when there's definitely harm being done right now.
I hate Illinois Nazis...uh...christians...uh...who can tell them apart?
Shameful. And these people continue to believe in a god that allows this to happen.
Dear Catholic/Christian church,
Please close your doors and never open back up again. You've had over 2000 years and have only made things worse. It's time to let the rational, non fairy tale believing people handle it from here.
This raises the question, still again, of why there has been no federal investigation. How many states have to report on the rape of how many tens of thousands of children before DOJ decides the matter just might possibly be worth looking into? Yes, the Catholic church is wealthy and well-connected, but so is the Mafia, and the FBI never seemed to ease up on them. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is a criminal cartel on at least that same scale (If not even larger), and only coordinated national action will ever put a serious dent in it. This piecemeal, state-by-state way of dealing with them benefits no one but the goddamned church itself.
Not a drag queen among the numbers.
Look, the DA can make recommendations all day long, the church will only make these changes when they are forced to. As evidenced by its reporting history. Let’s stop pussyfooting around and fucking nail them to the wall. Force them to report, force them to be transparent to their congregations, throw the perps in prison no matter how old they are ( can’t do anything about the dead ones) and hold the rest accountable for aiding and abetting, then make them pay every penny they have to the victims. If they file for bankruptcy, make victim payment the same as student loans, exempt from bankruptcy protection. No more turning the other way. No more special pleading. No more religious exemptions. NO MORE.
If we do this to the individual dioceses enough, we will start to get at the Vatican.
Yeah, having members walk away is good, but as we have seen for years and with lots of issues (mass shootings) it will be difficult to overcome the apathetic and sadistic. We need to take control legally to enforce the laws and morality they can’t manage with their god.
Catholics, we gotta talk. I know you've heard quite a few people now say "the only good child abuser is a dead child abuser..." but I think you guys 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘮𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 have misinterpreted something, somewhere. You see, when people say that, what they 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯 is "we should make child abusers 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦 dead," and not "we should wait until the child abusers 𝘢𝘳𝘦 dead to 𝘧𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮."
OT - Trivia time
2. Where did Ron DeNazi and Casey DeNazi get married?
1) Mar-a-Lago
2) Las Vegas
3) Disney World
4) The Villages
The answer won't surprise you.
“Tradition is no excuse to prop up a criminal institution.”
I think it is more than just tradition, some folks sincerely believe the church will get them to heaven and only through the church can they get there. A few molested children can’t stand in the way of their eternal salvation, not as heartless dismissal (though it really is a heartless dismissal) but eternity cannot compare to the struggle the victims experience. They just can’t recognize the deep and enduring pain the victims face and they conceive that their eternity is much bigger than anything on Earth. Delusions of grandeur it may be, but if they’re true believers it will be impossible to convince them otherwise. And they can find ways to excuse or justify their indifference to the pain. “It’s not my priest. Well, it was my priest, but he didn’t do it recently. It was recent but it wasn’t anyone I knew. It was my friend’s kid but it was only once…”
Never do they think that maybe the church really doesn’t have a line on heavenly access, since they are so mired in so many corruptions they can’t possibly be trustworthy. Or even if the church does get you into heaven is that heaven worthy of your devotion with all the baggage that’s tied to it, or where you really want to go for eternity.
But then, I already reject the idea of god, the idea that this god is the embodiment of good, or that heaven is desirable.